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>From [e-mail] Tue Nov  1 10:12:23 PST 1994
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From: "JOHN J. WEINHOFER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: input/output
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I'm a C neophyte and I have a rather basic question.
How can I do a calculation on a number that I have solicited
from the user and then have a value returned without using
the standard libraries? Presently I am gathering data from the user using
"scanf", I then do my calc and print the result in a console window using
printf. I need a more Mac like way to do this. Are there any toolbox
calls I am unaware of?

Thanks
John

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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Re: input/output

Hi,
  I am fairly new too, but here are a few ideas:
1. You probably nedd to open a window and draw your message for the user to
that window.
2. You then would want to output your results in a similar fashion to a window:

For instance, with something like:

DrawString(\"User Message");

would draw a message to an existing window.  There are some initializations
you would need to do first.
    What reference books do you have?

Jim Lee


>I'm a C neophyte and I have a rather basic question.
>How can I do a calculation on a number that I have solicited
>from the user and then have a value returned without using
>the standard libraries? Presently I am gathering data from the user using
>"scanf", I then do my calc and print the result in a console window using
>printf. I need a more Mac like way to do this. Are there any toolbox
>calls I am unaware of?
>
>Thanks
>John


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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Mark, Dave- books?

Anyone out there familiar with Dave Mark's books?  I am looking for his
email address.


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To: RDataSys.COM![e-mail]
From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Debugger problems

Hi Gang,
      I am using THINK C++ (v. 7.04) with the Use Debugger option selected
from under the Project menu.  I don't seem to be generating all of the
little debugger files I was on my previous project.  To clarify here is an
example:
1. Open a new VA project
2. Give it a name (mine is called *Dialog)
3. Add some a simple function to C.Main.cp and (obviously) prototype it in
the header file:

=46or instance, this code simply overrides the function generated by VA, and
calls a dialog I made with ResEdit:
----------------------
void CMain::DoCmdJames(void)

{
        // Subclass must override this function to
        // handle the command
                CDLOGDirector aDlog(600, this);
                long result =3D aDlog.DoModalDialog(cmdOK);
                if (result  =3D=3D cmdOK)
                {
                        //ProSearch Parameters set
                }
                else if (result =3D=3D cmdCancel)
                {
                        //Leave settings as is
                }
}
-------------------------
and in the header

        virtual void    CMain::DoCmdJames(void);

--------------------------

4. After Compiling, generating, and running you will find a folder called
(*Dialog.=3DBC XSYMs) within your project folder that has what I am calling
"debugger files".  I think there should be one for each .cp file, but they
are not all there.  They were for my previous project, and not having them
slows compile times and stops the debugger when one attampts to step into a
file not there.

What am I doing wrong?
Ideas:
A. This is the way things are supposed to work.  Because my limited little
program doesn't use all of the TCL, Think is only generating files for what
I use.
B. Project folder is not in Development =9F (my associate thinks it should b=
e
here, I don't think that matters)
C. I have screwed up my THINK files somehow (they look exactly correct to me=
)
D. Some preference/option controls this that I am not aware of
E. 7.5 incompatability (I installed the update to v. 7.04 but am still
having the occasional crash when in the debugger)

Other than this everything else seems to work fine.

Is there a compiler expert around, or should I just reinstall (AGAIN!).

Thanks,
Jim Lee


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>From [e-mail] Wed Nov  2 09:35:20 PST 1994
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I have the version 4.0 of think c. Would it be possible to
obtain a patch to update this old version ?

               Sincerely yours,
                                         V. Boudon
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I have seen several people talking about version 7.0.4.  I only have
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> I have the version 4.0 of think c. Would it be possible to
> obtain a patch to update this old version ?
>

Have you looked in the usual places (umich and/or sumex)? If you can't
find it there, I can send you the 4.05 upgrader. It is 85K uncompressed.
I have however no experience whatsoever in sending binaries via e-mail.
I believe i'd have to uuencode it.

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From: [e-mail] (Tracy Crider)
Subject: Re: Mark, Dave- books?

He's on AOL, sorry I don't know his address but he'd conducted a class there.

Tracy


>Anyone out there familiar with Dave Mark's books?  I am looking for his
>email address.
>
>
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Subject: ADSP Woes

Hello-

I am new to ADSP, I have been using Appleevents w/the PPC Toolbox and have
decided I need more control over what's going on.  I typed in the sample code
in IM VI.  I have no problem establishing a connection and sending data.  My
problem is when I am done, I quit but cannot reestablish the connection.
 Soon after that, my system crashes.  I relalize you may need my code to see
what is going on, but I though maybe someone else had experienced similar
problems...

A friend of mine also had exactly the same problem with his own code typed in
from IM VI.

-Daniel Gomoll
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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: "Debugger" Workaround

Llyod and the Gang,
    I understand a little more about this problem each time, so here is a
bit more:
    When one sets up a new procect the compiler is supposed to copy all of
the files from the (Project Models) Folder into the new project folder.  In
order to keep everything from recompiling every time, we compiled the
projects in the (Project Models) Folder.  This was one of the "Think C Top
Ten Tips" from MACTECH Magazine.  When I make a new project not all of
these files (I have been calling them "debugger files" are copied) so the
debugger can't function properly.  As a temporary fix I have gone into the
VA Project =9F of the (Project Models) Folder and removed objects.  That wil=
l
mean that each new project I make must be recompiled once, but seems to get
all of the files copies properly.
    This is a temporary fix, but if anyone has a permenant one, please let
me know.

Thanks,
Jim


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From: [e-mail] (Pete Gontier)
Subject: Re: ADSP Woes

> I am new to ADSP... I have no problem establishing a connection and
> sending data.  My problem is when I am done, I quit but cannot reestablish
> the connection. Soon after that, my system crashes.

If someone could tell me what the new ritual is for posting a file to the
archive site, I could probably be persuaded to upload some sample ADSP
code.

--

 Pete Gontier // BBEdit Bunny // [e-mail]


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Subject: Re: ADSP Woes

  I don't know if the new site supports uploads, but I know
that the alt.sources.mac archive does!  I am working on a
bunch of new files going into the archive, and the digest
should be out sometime next week (the digest now uses
URL's (thanks for the suggestion, Peter Lewis!)).

Dave

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>From [e-mail] Fri Nov  4 08:52:46 PST 1994
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In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 03 Nov 1994 22:03:25 -0800.
     <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 08:52:42 PST
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From: "Mark D. Nagel" <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 03 Nov 1994 22:03:25 PST you wrote:

    > I am new to ADSP... I have no problem establishing a connection and
    > sending data.  My problem is when I am done, I quit but cannot reestablish
    > the connection. Soon after that, my system crashes.

    If someone could tell me what the new ritual is for posting a file to the
    archive site, I could probably be persuaded to upload some sample ADSP
    code.

You can send it to me and I'll add it to the archives.  Honestly,
the archive has languished due to my extreme lack of time, but I'm
going to try to get more on top of things.  I still haven't event
transferred all the files from UCI, yet.  Also, I want to enable
anonymous ftp on our firewall here, but that's been difficult to
find time for...

Mark
--------
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I've retrieved the Project Printer FKEY (1.1) and note that the
README says it works with THINK C 4 or 5.  Is there a way to get it
to work with THINK C 6 or 7?

Paul DuBois
[e-mail]

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>
> I've retrieved the Project Printer FKEY (1.1) and note that the
> README says it works with THINK C 4 or 5.  Is there a way to get it
> to work with THINK C 6 or 7?
>

You don't need to. TPM 6.0 and later provide the "Print..." command
when the project window is in front.

R.

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> > I've retrieved the Project Printer FKEY (1.1) and note that the
> > README says it works with THINK C 4 or 5.  Is there a way to get it
> > to work with THINK C 6 or 7?
> >
>
> You don't need to. TPM 6.0 and later provide the "Print..." command
> when the project window is in front.

But I don't want to print it.  I want to get a simple list of the files
in the project, so I can write it to a file.

If necessary, I suppose I could use the "Save project as text" script,
but that has more information than I want, and I don't want pathnames.

Paul
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Regarding ADSP sample code...

Mark Nagel wrote:

>You can send it to me and I'll add it to the archives.

Dave ["Mighty 'Moof-in' PowerPC Ranger" | "Mr. Neb"] Nebinger wrote:

> I don't know if the new site supports uploads, but I know
> that the alt.sources.mac archive does!

All right. I can take a hint. I guess that tells me what code I'm cleaning
up tonight. :-)

--

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I wrote:

>Regarding ADSP sample code...
>
>Mark Nagel wrote:
>
>>You can send it to me and I'll add it to the archives.
>
>Dave ["Mighty 'Moof-in' PowerPC Ranger" | "Mr. Neb"] Nebinger wrote:
>
>> I don't know if the new site supports uploads, but I know
>> that the alt.sources.mac archive does!
>
>All right. I can take a hint. I guess that tells me what code I'm cleaning
>up tonight. :-)

OK, it's been sent to the archivists. I'll be gone for the weekend. Send
complaints anyway; I'll pick them up next week.

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The ADSP Glue Code has been archived on the think-c listproc.  Send
the command:

get think-c/src.lib adsp-glue.hqx

to [e-mail] in order to retrieve the file.

Mark
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We just escaped from a nearly 3 day downtime over here at RDS due to
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Subject: HELP HELP!!! Debugger is crashing
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MY DEBUGGER IS CRASHING AND I CAN'T KEEP IT UP!

Not the program (it runs just fine so long as the debugger
is off...it also runs stand-alone just fine), but the debugger.

If the debugger is turned on and I try to run my program, the
debugger menubar appears briefly (just a second or two) then
the menubar goes white and after 10 seconds, maybe less, I see
that the project manager has quit.  The debugger windows never
show up and neither do my programs.  I just see the open folders
on my desktop.  Then the computer beeps once. Nothing else.
Unfortunately the menubar is still white and I can't click
on anything.  I noticed this right after the compiler crashed
while trying to compile a very ordinary file that had been
compiled many times before -- I had just made a few minor
changes (that's what they all say!) to variable names.  Oh -- its
interesting that if I use esc-command-shift-option ... whatever
that combination is ... to abort, then it turns out that all
three are running.  I get a dialog asking me if I want to
terminate my the debugger, my program, and TPM.  Strange.

Anyway, I have tried

  1.  Reloading the Debugger from the original disk
       (intalling the patch to get it to 7.0.3) -- didn't help
  2.  Reloading the Project manager from the original disk
       (installing the patch to get it to 7.0.3) -- didn't help
  3.  Undoing the changes that I had made before the compiler
       crashed -- didn't help
  4.  Upping the application size for the Project Manager
       and the debugger (6000,600(?)respectively) -- didn't help
  5.  Removing all objects from project and rebuilding
       (did that one over night!) -- didn't help

I am fast running out of ideas.
Any suggestions? (sorry for the verbosity, but I'm desperate so
I put everything in hoping something will sound familiar to
someone).

I am running a Mac IIsi 17Meg RAM and I haven't had any problems to
speak of before this.

Thanx,
Kathleen
[e-mail]

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Hi all,

I was trying out the example in Think Reference "Using the List Manager in a
Modal Dialog" The example worked well until my screen saver came on (After
Dark). On return from the screen saver, the program crashed. After some
investigation I was able to trace the problem to the UserProc function that was
installed (via GetDItem(...) - SetDItem(...)) to place the list into the dialog
via a user item. The UserProc function initializes the list and then at the end
calls SetDItem(theDialog, theItem, 0, (Handle) theList, &iRect), where theList
is the list handle created with an LNew(...) call. This last call somehow
performs the magic of causing the list to properly respond to changes/updates,
however, it is also the source of the crash, i.e removing the call stabilizes
the program at the cost of no more list updates. Can someone explain how this
all works and (hopefully) how to fix the problem.

Thanks much.

:)>
R. Aaron Falk
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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Re: HELP HELP!!! Debugger is crashing

Try to find the upgrade to 7.0.4.  I had similar symptoms after installing
s7.5 and the update seems to have fixed it.

Giid luck,
Jim Lee

>MY DEBUGGER IS CRASHING AND I CAN'T KEEP IT UP!
>
>Not the program (it runs just fine so long as the debugger
>is off...it also runs stand-alone just fine), but the debugger.
>
>If the debugger is turned on and I try to run my program, the
>debugger menubar appears briefly (just a second or two) then
>the menubar goes white and after 10 seconds, maybe less, I see
>that the project manager has quit.  The debugger windows never
>show up and neither do my programs.  I just see the open folders
>on my desktop.  Then the computer beeps once. Nothing else.
>Unfortunately the menubar is still white and I can't click
>on anything.  I noticed this right after the compiler crashed
>while trying to compile a very ordinary file that had been
>compiled many times before -- I had just made a few minor
>changes (that's what they all say!) to variable names.  Oh -- its
>interesting that if I use esc-command-shift-option ... whatever
>that combination is ... to abort, then it turns out that all
>three are running.  I get a dialog asking me if I want to
>terminate my the debugger, my program, and TPM.  Strange.
>
>Anyway, I have tried
>
>  1.  Reloading the Debugger from the original disk
>       (intalling the patch to get it to 7.0.3) -- didn't help
>  2.  Reloading the Project manager from the original disk
>       (installing the patch to get it to 7.0.3) -- didn't help
>  3.  Undoing the changes that I had made before the compiler
>       crashed -- didn't help
>  4.  Upping the application size for the Project Manager
>       and the debugger (6000,600(?)respectively) -- didn't help
>  5.  Removing all objects from project and rebuilding
>       (did that one over night!) -- didn't help
>
>I am fast running out of ideas.
>Any suggestions? (sorry for the verbosity, but I'm desperate so
>I put everything in hoping something will sound familiar to
>someone).
>
>I am running a Mac IIsi 17Meg RAM and I haven't had any problems to
>speak of before this.
>
>Thanx,
>Kathleen
>[e-mail]


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>Try to find the upgrade to 7.0.4.  I had similar symptoms after installing
>s7.5 and the update seems to have fixed it.
>
>Giid luck,
>Jim Lee
>
>>MY DEBUGGER IS CRASHING AND I CAN'T KEEP IT UP!
>>
>>Not the program (it runs just fine so long as the debugger
>>is off...it also runs stand-alone just fine), but the debugger.
>>
[snip snip snip]

.. Hmmmm.  I'm really don't want to update to s7.5 at this time.  drat.
Any other ideas?   :^)

Another poster asked about how other projects were effected (sheepish grin)
but I don't have another other to test it on.  I guess I will make one tonight!

Kathleen
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I've had similar problems with TPM & Think Reference.  I finally had to
get rid of a preferences file (even after I'd re-installed 3 times both
TPM & Think Reference).  Once I did this it worked fine.

Strange, I know.

Tracy


On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Kathleen Fischer wrote:

> MY DEBUGGER IS CRASHING AND I CAN'T KEEP IT UP!
>
> Not the program (it runs just fine so long as the debugger
> is off...it also runs stand-alone just fine), but the debugger.
>
> If the debugger is turned on and I try to run my program, the
> debugger menubar appears briefly (just a second or two) then
> the menubar goes white and after 10 seconds, maybe less, I see
> that the project manager has quit.  The debugger windows never
> show up and neither do my programs.  I just see the open folders
> on my desktop.  Then the computer beeps once. Nothing else.
> Unfortunately the menubar is still white and I can't click
> on anything.  I noticed this right after the compiler crashed
> while trying to compile a very ordinary file that had been
> compiled many times before -- I had just made a few minor
> changes (that's what they all say!) to variable names.  Oh -- its
> interesting that if I use esc-command-shift-option ... whatever
> that combination is ... to abort, then it turns out that all
> three are running.  I get a dialog asking me if I want to
> terminate my the debugger, my program, and TPM.  Strange.
>
> Anyway, I have tried
>
>   1.  Reloading the Debugger from the original disk
>        (intalling the patch to get it to 7.0.3) -- didn't help
>   2.  Reloading the Project manager from the original disk
>        (installing the patch to get it to 7.0.3) -- didn't help
>   3.  Undoing the changes that I had made before the compiler
>        crashed -- didn't help
>   4.  Upping the application size for the Project Manager
>        and the debugger (6000,600(?)respectively) -- didn't help
>   5.  Removing all objects from project and rebuilding
>        (did that one over night!) -- didn't help
>
> I am fast running out of ideas.
> Any suggestions? (sorry for the verbosity, but I'm desperate so
> I put everything in hoping something will sound familiar to
> someone).
>
> I am running a Mac IIsi 17Meg RAM and I haven't had any problems to
> speak of before this.
>
> Thanx,
> Kathleen
> [e-mail]
>
>
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To: rdatasys.com![e-mail]
From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Re: HELP HELP!!! Debugger is crashing

NO, NO, NO- 7.5 is not required to fix the problem!  On the contrary it
seemed to uncoover the problem on my Mac.  The 7.0.4 upgrade fixed the
problem in my case.  Perhaps it will help you.  I know it is on ApppleLink.

Good luck,
Jim


>>Try to find the upgrade to 7.0.4.  I had similar symptoms after installing
>>s7.5 and the update seems to have fixed it.
>>
>>Giid luck,
>>Jim Lee
>>
>>>MY DEBUGGER IS CRASHING AND I CAN'T KEEP IT UP!
>>>
>>>Not the program (it runs just fine so long as the debugger
>>>is off...it also runs stand-alone just fine), but the debugger.
>>>
>[snip snip snip]
>
>.. Hmmmm.  I'm really don't want to update to s7.5 at this time.  drat.
>Any other ideas?   :^)
>
>Another poster asked about how other projects were effected (sheepish grin)
>but I don't have another other to test it on.  I guess I will make one tonight!
>
>Kathleen


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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Re: List Manager and Dialogs

hi,
   Just a wild guess, but what version of AD are you running vs what os version?
We fielded lots of these calls at Apple Assistance, and the older the AD,
the more often it seemed to conflict, which I suppose makes some sense.
Good luck,

Jim Lee

  >Hi all,
>
>I was trying out the example in Think Reference "Using the List Manager in a
>Modal Dialog" The example worked well until my screen saver came on (After
>Dark). On return from the screen saver, the program crashed. After some
>investigation I was able to trace the problem to the UserProc function that
>was
>installed (via GetDItem(...) - SetDItem(...)) to place the list into the
>dialog
>via a user item. The UserProc function initializes the list and then at the
>end
>calls SetDItem(theDialog, theItem, 0, (Handle) theList, &iRect), where theList
>is the list handle created with an LNew(...) call. This last call somehow
>performs the magic of causing the list to properly respond to changes/updates,
>however, it is also the source of the crash, i.e removing the call stabilizes
>the program at the cost of no more list updates. Can someone explain how this
>all works and (hopefully) how to fix the problem.
>
>Thanks much.
>
>:)>
>R. Aaron Falk


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Subject: Where is 7.0.4 Upgrade Available?

There is much reference to the 7.0.4 upgrade.  It is available on the net
somewhere?

Scott Morrison
San Diego,CA


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On Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:49:55 PST you wrote:

    There is much reference to the 7.0.4 upgrade.  It is available on the net
    somewhere?

Yes, and it is available from the archive server here.  Send this
message to [e-mail]:

        GET THINK-C/UPDATES sc++_eds_7.0.4.sea.hqx

This file is the essential development system update intended for
previous owners of Symantec C++ or THINK C 6.0.  If you bought 7.0
and need other pieces updated, you'll have to get that from other
sites (until I add it to the archive).

Mark
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>There is much reference to the 7.0.4 upgrade.  It is available on the net
>somewhere?

Yes. Check info-mac mirrors, Umich mirrors, or Symmantec's site (either
ftp.symmantec.com or devtools.symmantec.com, I'm not sure which).


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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Re: Where is 7.0.4 Upgrade Available?

Mark,
   This seems to be turning into a wonderful forum for the exchange of
ideas.  Any possibility of getting someone to put together a weekly or
monthly bulletin/newsletter on "WHAT'S NEW IN THE MAC SYMANTEC WORLD", or
something of that kind?

Jim Lee

>On Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:49:55 PST you wrote:
>
>    There is much reference to the 7.0.4 upgrade.  It is available on the net
>    somewhere?
>
>Yes, and it is available from the archive server here.  Send this
>message to [e-mail]:
>
>        GET THINK-C/UPDATES sc++_eds_7.0.4.sea.hqx
>
>This file is the essential development system update intended for
>previous owners of Symantec C++ or THINK C 6.0.  If you bought 7.0
>and need other pieces updated, you'll have to get that from other
>sites (until I add it to the archive).
>
>Mark
>--------
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>                                             30 Executive Park, Suite 260
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Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

I recntly decide to go for some tcp/ip programming between
our Mac and a HP-UX (unix) box. As I am using Think C++ 7.0x
I browsed some sites and yes, I found a tcp/ip class called
TurboTCP. It almost compiled but .... some include files
are not found : TCPB.h
                                MacTCPCommonTypes.h
                                AddressXlation.h

I did a search through my whole filesystem but ... no help.

Any suggestions where I can find/obtain/acquire those files ?

regards,


Bart
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They are in the TCIP/IP developers kit.

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Is that an Apple or Symantec product?


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It's an Apple product .


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Emmanuel said:
>
> It's an Apple product .

  This is true, but hardly descriptive.

  The MacTCP developer's kit can be found at seeding.apple.com.
It includes the necessary MacTCP headers (like the ones Bart and
James are interested in) as well as documents describing the
various functions.  Also found here are some docs describing
the new apple product that will be replacing MacTCP (open
something ;-)

Dave

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Subject: Commented chars in arguements

I've been looking at some Apple DTS sample code demonstrating how to input
text while preserving the background and noticed some strange notation.
=46or example, here's a line of code:

       OffsetRect( /*=D7*/&clippedSourceRect, horzOffset, vertOffset );

What is the "/*=D7*/" for?  Something required by MPW but not THINK?


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Subject: SOLVED: HELP HELP!!! Debugger is crashing
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My thanks to all who responded both to the list and via email.  The winning
solution was from Doug Knowles of Symantec (I pulled his name off a post in
another newgroup):

The problem:

>MY DEBUGGER IS CRASHING AND I CAN'T KEEP IT UP!
>
>Not the program (it runs just fine so long as the debugger
>is off...it also runs stand-alone just fine), but the debugger.
>
>If the debugger is turned on and I try to run my program, the
>debugger menubar appears briefly (just a second or two) then
>the menubar goes white and after 10 seconds, maybe less, I see
>that the project manager has quit.  The debugger windows never
>show up and neither do my programs.
        [snip snip]

The Key:
>-- I had just made a few minor
>changes (that's what they all say!) to variable names.
        [snip snip]

The Solution (from Doug)
>When the debugger crashed or hung on launch, one possible explanation is
>that the debugger data window had an expression in it which caused a
>problem when the debugger tried to evaluate it.  Since the evaluation
>involves a callback to the project manager, it would explain the
>disappearance of the project manager.  If you hold down the option key
>while launching the debugger, the debugger will open without recalling any
>of the data window expressions (or breakpoints); this might help get past
>the problem getting the debugger started.

Thanks to all,
Kathleen
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Hellow out there,

Is there any free source codes for making floating windows someware?

I also need good routines for printing graphics, postscript etc.

Hope anyone can help me.

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Subject: Problem using THINK C library from THINK Pascal
To: [e-mail]
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I'm including a THINK C library in a THINK Pascal program, and it
*appears* that variables in the library that are supposed to point
to functions don't get properly initialized.  Here's some sample
code:


/* A static function */

static pascal Boolean
ModalFilter (DialogPtr d, EventRecord *e, short *item)
{
        return (false);
}

/* A static variable that points to the static function */

static ModalFilterUPP   modalProc = ModalFilter;

/*
 * A function called from my Pascal program that returns the value
 * of the static variable, which is *supposed* to point to the static
 * function
 */

pascal ModalFilterUPP
TestFunc (ModalFilterUPP filter, Boolean doReturn)
{
        return (modalProc);
}


However, when I call TestFunc from within a Pascal program, the variable
doesn't contain the correct value.  If I print (from within TestFunc)
the value of ModalFilter and of modalProc, they differ by 2.  I surmise
that at the link step the static variable isn't properly initialized to
the correct function address.  True?  False?  Some other problem I've
overlooked.

If I call TestFunc from within a THINK C program, the problem does
not occur.  Static variables in the C library that don't point to
functions appear to be initialized properly.

Paul DuBois
[e-mail]

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Hellow out there,

Is there any good source codes for floating windows out there.

I also need routines to generate graphical outputs and PostScript.

Hope anyone knows!!!

Jan R|man


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Subject:      Help on making a polygon
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Dear THINK-Cers,
   I am in need of some help on the making of polygons. What functions
calls do I need to call and what variables do I need to declare? And
anything else I need to know. I am trying to make rectangles appear in
perspective. Maybe, a code fragment would help to show me the way.


Also, can anyone tell where to ftp for the archive of Think-c?

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Brandon Burch
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>
> I'm including a THINK C library in a THINK Pascal program, and it
> *appears* that variables in the library that are supposed to point
> to functions don't get properly initialized.  Here's some sample
> code:

> /* A static function */

[deleted]

> /* A static variable that points to the static function */

[deleted]

This is a known problem in THINK Pascal, but it's easily worked around
- just remove the 'static' from your function declaration. The precise
description of the bug is that the linker doesn't correctly handle
initialization to the address of a 'static' function.

R.
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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Object Master  2.1

Dear Fellow Thinkites:

    Anyone know if Object Master 2.1 is compatible with:
A. Think C++ 7.0.4
B. TCL 2
C. System 7.5?

Thanks,
Jim Lee


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Subject: File Info...

Hello,

Can anyone tell me the best way to check if a file is open through another
application (ideally, the same way the Finder does it.).

For example, if I open a file called TEST, I need to know if TEST is already
open in TeachText.

Thanks

-Daniel Gomoll
[e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Object Master  2.1

>Dear Fellow Thinkites:
>
>    Anyone know if Object Master 2.1 is compatible with:
>A. Think C++ 7.0.4
>B. TCL 2
>C. System 7.5?
>
>Thanks,
>Jim Lee
>
Get OM 2.2.  It used to be on bu.edu, which has now moved to netf.org (no
ftp as yet, said to be RSn) and also on Compuserve.  You still cannot
compile out of OM 2.2 (ACI says this is a bug with THINK)

Jerry Hale
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714.871.1580
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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: OM 2.5.2

Jerry,
Thanks for the note on OM.  I am trying to get them to upgrade me to 2.5.2
which my cohort is using.
Jim Lee


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From: [e-mail] (L. Sargent)
Subject: Re: File Info...

>Hello,
>
>Can anyone tell me the best way to check if a file is open through another
>application (ideally, the same way the Finder does it.).
>
>For example, if I open a file called TEST, I need to know if TEST is already
>open in TeachText.
>
>Thanks
>
>-Daniel Gomoll
>[e-mail]

Well....

There is an ugly way and a clean way (I'm not sure what the clean way is,
but I'll tell you what the ugly way is!).

What you do is go through the FCB's (yech!). It is ugly, but it works. The
master pointer to the FCB's is a low memory variable and is NOT swapped or
messed with when you swap apps.

Good luck,

Lloyd

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I have experienced strange behavior of Symantec C++7.0.3 on my QD700
running System 7.5. When I try to investigate a value of a variable in
Debugger by selecting a variable name and typing cmd-D, the debugger
hanged, no value was displayed, and control did not return to me.

Is this just happend only to me? Or Is this a known behavior? Is there
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If this was already a topic of this mailing-list, I love to have a
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Yasuaki Honda // [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Vaughn)
Subject: Re: Symantec C++7.0.3 and System7.5
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>Is this just happend only to me? Or Is this a known behavior? Is there
>any patch or workaround for this?

Get the 7.0.4 patch. It's at your favorite info-mac or umich mirror as well
as Symmantec's site. It is a conflict with System 7.5. I don't believe the
patch is even needed if you are not running 7.5.


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Thanks for the replies of this well known topic. The following is a
summary.

Question: SC++7.0.3 Debugger behaves strangely in System7.5
environment. Any patch for this?

Answer: It's conflict of SC++7.0.3 and System7.5. You can get patch
called SC++7.0.4 update from ftp sites around you.

Thank you, Greg Vaughn and Dr. Robert H. Morelos-Zaragoza for sending
me this info so quickly.

Yasuaki Honda // [e-mail]
It's Sony Computer Science Laboratory Inc.


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>Part of the problem is that some applications don't leave a file open even
>though they are showing the file on screen. They read the contents of the
>file and then close it. Then, when they save the file, they create a
>temporary file first, and when that file is successfully written to disk,
>they switch the two and delete the original. This makes sure that you won't
>lose you file while it is being written (in case of a crash).

This is true, however explain this:

I create a file in teachtext.  I save it, and leave TechText open WITH that
same document.  I can open the document in a seperate program and get info
out of it.  (Which would indicate to me the Teachtext has closed the file)
 However, if I drag that document to the trash and try to empty it I get a
message that the "File is in use".  Until I close the file in Teachtext.  How
does the Finder know this if the document is closed?

-Daniel Gomoll
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Subject: Re: File Info...

>This is true, however explain this:
>
>I create a file in teachtext.  I save it, and leave TechText open WITH that
>same document.  I can open the document in a seperate program and get info
>out of it.  (Which would indicate to me the Teachtext has closed the file)
> However, if I drag that document to the trash and try to empty it I get a
>message that the "File is in use".  Until I close the file in Teachtext.  How
>does the Finder know this if the document is closed?
>
>-Daniel Gomoll

There are several ways to open a file. There is Read/write access or Read
only access and others. One program can have a file open with Read/Write
access while another program could open *the same file* with Read only
access.
Simple!

Please read Inside Macintosh Volume VI (File Manager) for more info.

Onno


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From: Jason Botwick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Memory problem
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I'm using Think C/C++ 7.x. I have a Mac IIcx running System 7 with 8 Meg.

Can someone tell me why I constantly run out of memory when trying to run
even the simplest, smallest C++ programs? I mean why does the environment
reserve 5 Meg of memory (which, according to my "About this . . ." box is
not even all used), if it still needs a bunch more overhead to test the
program you're writing? Does anyone know how to solve this problem, short
of buying more memory?

Thanks in advance,
jdb
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